A political post

[puzzle_me]

One of the above pictures is a human blastocyst, the other is an amoeba. Can you tell the difference? Do you think our President could?

If you put a baby into cryogenic storage, it will die. If you take a blastocyst out of cryogenic storage, it will die. How can you consider something a human life if it dies when you unfreeze it? While I might not agree with it, I can understand why someone considers a developing fetus a human life, but I cannot understand why someone can consider a blastocyst a human life.

Comments

[ukelele.livejournal.com]

I agree that it's basically a philosophical question, and it feels like an irreducible one (ie once you've decided it your position is set). However I know of at least one argument that does *not* derive the ultimate political stance from the question of life; to wit, the famous violinist argument.

(In case this isn't familiar: let us say you wake up one morning and discover that a famous violinist suffering from some strange disease has been hooked up to you and is now dependent on your biological processes for life. The violinist is fine as long as s/he gets use of your body and will die if disconnected. Do you have a moral obligation to allow the violinist to use your organs?

In this hypothetical the violinist is clearly alive by practically everyone's intuitive concepts of life, so it completely sidesteps the whole abortion = murder argument. The question becomes one of bodily integrity, self-ownership. Now I personally am quite rabid on the subject of self-ownership and my moral intuition is that, while it might be quite nice of me to let the violinist go on, it's not my obligation; they are, after all, my organs we're talking about, and no one else has a right to use them.

In my present situation I've made a voluntary choice to surrender full use of my organs for the time being and I'm quite merry about that indeed -- but one might also make a voluntary choice to support the violinist without being obligated to do so.)

[pearmeson.livejournal.com]

Though I think for a pro-lifer, the violinist argument would only be helpful in justifying a rape/incest exemption. They would argue that consensual sex corresponds to informed consent to the violinist arrangement, and that one can't back out of a deal like that.

[ukelele.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you can read it that way; how you deal with the voluntary/involuntary thing is important. But there's also a question of sex you've only consented to because you believe the birth control is effective. I guess in my experience most pro-lifers don't draw a line between consent to sex and consent to pregnancy, but it's not an unreasonable line to draw in the modern era.

[ukelele.livejournal.com]

(Actually, I tend to find that people who don't draw a line between consent to sex and consent to pregnancy are making a cruel and even mocking argument -- as in "you made your bed, now lie in it" -- an argument which treats pregnancy and subsequent childbirth and even parentage as a just punishment -- which is a more horrible attitude than I can even express. But I hold open the possibilities that they don't mean to come across that way, and that there are arguments which don't draw that line but also don't take glee in punishing people for their sexual iniquities. I'm just predisposed to react badly to that sort of argument because usually a bad reaction turns out to be the right one.)

[ukelele.livejournal.com]

(Pardon me, that would be their sexual "iniquities" in scare quotes, as iniquities wouldn't be my word. The anti-sex attitude that tends to come across in this sort of argument is one I don't share.)

[pearmeson.livejournal.com]

Agreed.

"They" often do fail to make a distinction between consent to sex and consent to pregnancy -- ostensibly because the "purpose" of sex is procreation.

The question of contraceptive effectiveness is usually answered by pro-lifers with "the only safe sex is NO sex." (and they want to keep it that way, apparently)

[ericakeithley.livejournal.com]

I think you are right that most pro-lifers don't mean to come across as suggesting that pregnancy is a "just punishment" of sex. I think they tend to see pregnancy as a natural result of sex. Which seems quite logical to me.